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BOTM: WI.DE.N YOUR HORIZON - part 1

Andy Kessler - 04-Jun-2019
Gerard mentioned in his last blog that we were a bit under pressure launching the WI.DE. because we were doing a media launch together with DT Swiss. 

We started to plan this event about 5 months ago. Everything looked ok until DT Swiss asked us to move the date forward. You would not believe what the impact was of moving everything a week forward. I don't want to go into details but it took me at least a full working week in order to have 7 bikes ready one week earlier and I am not talking about building the bikes just getting all the small bits and pieces together. The fact that the SRAM AXS Force/Eagle combination is not yet available on the market did not really help also.

Whenever we do an event over here you can be sure its either raining or we have snow. It can be nice 2 months before and 2 months after... The weather forecast for this one was also not really spectacular. When I checked out the route I ended up with some snow storms after 80km and five and a half hour of riding. I was prepared for that back then and normally there is a train back to Basel and that was my back up plan. But guess what, on that weekend they had some reconstruction and I had to ride all the way back also...

We started our media ride in sunny and 15 degree warm Basel and that day we ended our ride in pouring rain, 0 degree and 60km headwind in Seignelegier. I know that Marc our photographer always hates me because we actually do real trips rather than just photo shootings followed by a van. That day I think he really hated me as he had to spend 20 minutes under a hot shower until he started to feel his feet again...The last 1.5 hour was just suffering but after a nice dinner the world was ok again for everybody. On the next day we had a scenic ride with some rain and hale but at least not as cold as on day one. After crossing the legendary "house mountain" of Biel the Chasseral we ended up at our destination the DT Swiss head quarters.

Here is a rather large photo gallery of the trip (Sorry we had over 350 pictures and it was so hard to make a selection). Keep in mind that it looks pretty sunny but believe me it was not the case at the end of day 1 as you can also read here in an article from Ben that he published in the granfondo magazine.

And here is a beautiful video of the same trip from the DT Swiss crew. Marc hated me even more as those guys had the van that brought them to the nice places and gave them shelter....sorry Marc.



Next week more details about the bike that we used on that trip.

Comments & Questions

OPEN
Great photos!
I’m surprised that nobody used the Assaver.
Post #1 of 27. Posted by CP on 04-Jun-2019 08:03:49 GMT in reply to blog [0<--18538]
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I would have loved to have a pair of assavers I had them in my hands before the start and thought I will not use them... not my first mistake in life!
Post #5 of 27. Posted by Andy Kessler on 04-Jun-2019 09:54:18 GMT in reply to post #1 [18538<--18547]
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No worries Andy, I still love you... I 'd rather keep it real and suffer on the bike to grasp the meaning of "gravel riding" in my images. My cameras are now dry, one month later... :-)
Post #2 of 27. Posted by Marc on 04-Jun-2019 08:09:56 GMT in reply to blog [0<--18539]
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Hi Marc, you should know I am a big fan of your work and I will always love you also if you hate me....! at the end not sure if the Drone shooting of the intro video was worse where we had minus 7, snow and you had to shoot that without any gloves...
Post #6 of 27. Posted by Andy Kessler on 04-Jun-2019 09:57:15 GMT in reply to post #2 [18539<--18549]
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Andy, Gerard,

What is the front-centre on the WI.DE in size L ( I take it there won’t be a WI.DE.R later, lol!)?

With size 47 shoes I get a lot of toe overlap on many bikes, including the UP. I’m hoping this won’t be an issue here.

I love the bold risk-taking you’re doing and the fun (mostly) you’re having doing it.
Post #3 of 27. Posted by Anees on 04-Jun-2019 08:18:08 GMT in reply to blog [0<--18540]
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Front-center on the WI.DE. is 613mm, so almost 1cm longer than on the U.P.
Post #4 of 27. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 04-Jun-2019 09:27:28 GMT in reply to post #3 [18540<--18544]
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Great to hear. Enjoying the One+ as a tourer with 700x47 tires. This will be even more fun. Looking forward!

Waiting for specs and release date!
Post #13 of 27. Posted by Anees Munshi on 06-Jun-2019 18:02:32 GMT in reply to post #4 [18544<--18567]
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Hi Anees, all specs are at http://opencycl.../wide and the bike has been released. It's ready to order at our dealers (http://opencycl...obuy) or online (https://opencyc...ame).
Post #14 of 27. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 07-Jun-2019 03:54:52 GMT in reply to post #13 [18567<--18568]
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Good morning. I'm drooling over the Wi.DE, and thinking about setting one up for fully loaded multi day bikepacking in the southwest and west. I respect Open's engineering prowess. Is a 160 front rotor enough for a fully loaded, cautious long descent down some loose, gnarly terrain? For bikepacking should I think about 4 piston front brakes? Thank you. JackyJoe6
Post #7 of 27. Posted by JackyJoe6 on 04-Jun-2019 12:22:14 GMT in reply to blog [0<--18554]
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Hi Jacky, we've never run out of braking power. Even fully loaded, will you go over 110-120kg? I suspect not.
Post #8 of 27. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 05-Jun-2019 04:06:29 GMT in reply to post #7 [18554<--18556]
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Good news, Gerard I'll leave the full size hibachi out of my kit and stay under 120kg. I love your work and hope to ride it. Jacky
Post #9 of 27. Posted by JackyJoe6 on 05-Jun-2019 12:52:34 GMT in reply to post #8 [18556<--18558]
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What are your preferred brakes on the Wi.DE? Will the frame accept a larger rotor or due to the built in adapters thats not possible?
Post #10 of 27. Posted by Kevin on 05-Jun-2019 13:06:55 GMT in reply to post #8 [18556<--18559]
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We really prefer 160mm front and rear, it let's you stop in any conditions, I don't see a need to go bigger. It is possible to go bigger if you're a bit enterprising (using the standard 140-to-160mm adaptor to move the caliper from 160 to 180mm but there really isn't a need and I am pretty sure it voids everybody's warranty.
Post #11 of 27. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 05-Jun-2019 14:34:01 GMT in reply to post #10 [18559<--18560]
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Andy, if I were to buy the non painted , is there a special paint I need? And can I ride while still painting if I don’t finish right away if I hit a creative block. Jeff
Post #12 of 27. Posted by Jeff on 06-Jun-2019 14:39:33 GMT in reply to blog [0<--18566]
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We recommend painting it but there are plenty people who don't. It's not needed for UV protection but a clear coat also protects against general wear and scratches. As for the paint, any bike painter worth their salt will know what to use, so best get in touch with the painter you want to use. There are different paint systems, so there's no one answer, just go with a reputable painter. If you do not know any (local) frame painters, we can help with some suggestions.
Post #15 of 27. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 07-Jun-2019 03:57:42 GMT in reply to post #12 [18566<--18569]
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Hi Fellas: I think you guys are doing incredible work, but I do have a question regarding this new Open WIDE model. Given that this bike is capable of handling even larger MTB type tires for more serious off road riding, is there any concern regarding potential toe overlap issues given the relatively short front/center distance of the frame for running such sized tires? Thanks Jon
Post #16 of 27. Posted by JonT on 07-Jun-2019 14:08:32 GMT in reply to blog [0<--18570]
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Not really, not if you stay within the recommended tire range. The front-center is around 1cm longer than on the UP, and the bigger tires are around 5mm bigger in radius, so the net effect is more, not less toe clearance. Of course there are always combinations of tires and cleat position where some riders may have some overlap, but nothing to worry about.
Post #24 of 27. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 10-Jun-2019 17:48:29 GMT in reply to post #16 [18570<--18590]
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I wish I was in the Backyardigans break out
Post #17 of 27. Posted by Gage on 07-Jun-2019 21:19:50 GMT in reply to blog [0<--18571]
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I was fortunate enough to demo the WI.DE both with 700x40 and 27.5x2.35. Man, I was pleasantly surprised to see how much clearance there was even with the 2.35" tires. With that set up, I was able to tackle more technical climbs (large rocks, single tracks, ruts, thick sandy sections) much better than before, with only occasional forced dismounts (not the bike's fault, but my skill level I'm sure). Of course, I was much more confident on the descents as well with these larger tires. I consider myself more of a roadie, so didn't like the sluggishness of the larger tires on the tarmac (although expected) and of course the added weight (yes weight weenie too) on the climbs. I usually prefer to ride to the off-road sections/area rather than driving to the location(s). Bottom line, I think this would be a perfect bike to take off the beaten path, but for me, I think I'm going to stick with my U.P. because I do enjoy riding fast on the tarmac with my bike as well. Finally, although I don't plan on going to a 2x setup, it's nice to have that option with the U.P.
Post #18 of 27. Posted by TV on 08-Jun-2019 17:57:29 GMT in reply to blog [0<--18578]
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Gerrard, I love the idea behind the WIDE and I'm planning to order one this week. If you could select two sets of wheels/tires to get the most versatility out of your WIDE, what combinations would you select? Exact models/sizes would be helpful. Thanks!
Post #19 of 27. Posted by Brandon on 09-Jun-2019 10:07:01 GMT in reply to blog [0<--18579]
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Well, I'm obviously biased given I designed the 3T Discus C45, but I'd take that with a wide road tires for the super comfort on tarmac and enough volume on easier off-road sections, so I can combine the two in one ride. Something like a Pirelli Cinturato 35c or a WTB Exposure 36c, but there are plenty other options too for that (and if it is often wet where you ride, maybe a Schwalbe G-One Allround). Tubeless of course. Then the second wheelset a 650b with Schwalbe Racing Ralph tires, 2.25" or a wider, all depending on how wet it is where you ride and how much mud clearance you want (and how wide the rim is that you use. Plenty of options for wheels, of course 3T DiscusPlus again, but also ENVE, Zipp, DT, etc.
Post #25 of 27. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 10-Jun-2019 17:51:20 GMT in reply to post #19 [18579<--18591]
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Is this bike dropper capable and do you have a weight limit? I am 6'-5" and 290lbs
Post #20 of 27. Posted by Josh King on 09-Jun-2019 17:50:57 GMT in reply to blog [0<--18580]
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Hi Josh, there are several dropper posts that fit. We use a 120kg weight limit, simply because of the extreme riding we advocate for the model. We test the frame past standard road and mountain bike standards, but our customers also USE the bike way beyond that, so we'd rather be careful.
Post #21 of 27. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 10-Jun-2019 17:37:13 GMT in reply to post #20 [18580<--18585]
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And I should have clarified, is it internally routed for a dropper? Thank you
Post #22 of 27. Posted by Josh King on 10-Jun-2019 17:42:54 GMT in reply to post #21 [18585<--18587]
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Yes, you can run it internally too, if you use the "front derailleur" entry from the head tube stop for the dropper (since the WIDE is 1x anyway, you don't need the FD hole).
Post #23 of 27. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 10-Jun-2019 17:45:04 GMT in reply to post #22 [18587<--18589]
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What tire size do you assume for the stand over height in the specs? I’m fine on a large if your specs are for the max tire size, but if the height assumes 35s, it might be a bit uncomfortable when running big tires.
Post #26 of 27. Posted by Jeff on 23-Jun-2019 23:26:34 GMT in reply to blog [0<--19628]
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Hi Jeff, we are using tires on the larger side of what's possible
Post #27 of 27. Posted by Andy Kessler on 25-Jun-2019 07:36:24 GMT in reply to blog [0<--19633]
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