Keywords: 2.4" wide tire,27.5,complete bike,gravel bike,gravel ride,open,sram force/eagle axs

BOTM: The WIDE RANGE WI.DE. - Part 1

Gerard Vroomen - 03-Oct-2019
As you probably know, we try to keep things simple at OPEN. Extremely simple. "Working hard to stay small". At the same time, we want to give as many people as possible the chance to experience riding one of our bikes. Those two goals sometimes clash.

When we started out, we offered some complete bikes in addition to our framesets. The complete bikes were popular, but also a hassle. So as we grew and needed a simplification to stay small, we tossed the complete bike offerings. 

Sanity restored, but as it turns out, we also took something away that many people liked. There is a large group of our customers who love piecing together their next bike one part at a time, agonizing over every detail. We know, because many of you email us for advice on such matters.



Yet there are also a lot customers who ask us one simple question: "What spec should I get?" Although our Bike Of The Month shows our preferences every month (what's in a name?), that also means there are in the end too many suggestions for some. "Just tell me what I need".

With the UP and UPPER, that is difficult to do as there are so many options. The WIDE also has a lot of options, but in the end the usual WIDE customer is more narrowly defined. That makes it easier to propose "the one spec to rule them all" (with of course "one ring to rule them all" for those of you who are into Lord of the Rings references). Drumroll please!



So Andy and I sat down and drew up our go-to spec for the WIDE. It went something like this:

  • The drivetrain has to be a Force/Eagle AXS combo. The maximum range with a 10-50 cassette is perfect for all the crazy trails you can take the WIDE onto, and the Force parts are very close to their Red siblings and a fair chunk less expensive. Some of you may know that I actually prefer the 11-50 cassette, I do. But for the most extreme rides, that extra bit of range is nice for the WIDE. I wouldn't put the 10-50 on an UP or UPPER, there I would go for that 11-50 or an 11-46 (from Rotor).
  • For the wheels, DT just launched some new wheel sets and they are nice. Equally important, they are Swiss, just like Andy and Basler Läckerli. While the latter is irrelevant in this case (they are delicious though), Andy's say is crucial. More important than mine actually. First of all, he rides in terrain perfect for the WIDE every day, some of the trails around Basel are made for the biggest possible tires. Secondly, I get to spec a lot of bikes, so for this one, Andy had free rein. 
  • Same goes for the cockpit parts. Stem, handlebar and seatpost all come from Easton. Nice parts, reasonably priced and not unimportant, the grey graphics match the frame perfectly. Standard road drop, just the way Andy likes it (and actually so do I, it's either a clean road drop or a double bend flare, just not a fixed flare for me).
  • Then maybe the most important part: tires! Lots of options here, but we like to build the WIDE into the most capable off-road machine while rolling well on smooth surfaces too. So we went all-out with the Schwalbe Rock Razor 2.35". Especially with winter coming in many places, this is a grippy tire. You can also tone it down a bit with a Schwalbe G-One Allround (the new 2.25" is brilliant and wider than expected), maybe the ideal "summer tire".
You may wonder, how about rides that are smoother and maybe even see significant sections of asphalt? Just yesterday Zap Espinoza, the editor of Road Bike Action, emails me: "I did 100 miles on the WI.DE. this weekend. It's really a much better road bike than you think!". So I write back that I like the WI.DE. as a road bike, in particular with one of those new 35mm road tires, but if he rode 28mm tires that's OK too. And he responds he's been on the Rock Razors the whole time.

Of course, if you know you're going to do just road, you can put a skinnier tire on and maybe even a deeper section 700c wheel. But if your rides mix on- and off-road, just ride the big tires and enjoy.

You may wonder why we went through this exercise? Well, because we have decided to make life easier for those who want our favorite spec (and a little more difficult for ourselves). So we will offer the WI.DE. also as a complete bike with this WI.DE. RANGE spec. I'm quite excited about it as I know there are people who have been waiting for this, who simply don't want the hassle of piecing together an OPEN. I get that, I'm the same way with many things (not with bikes, but I'm sure you understand).

How about simplifying life for ourselves? We've made improvements elsewhere in our operations, with more coming, so we can deal with a little added complexity now. Furthermore, this one complete build may actually save us time, as we don't need to recommend this build to people individually via email anymore. Time will tell.

To order, you can contact any of our retailers or check our online store.

Full spec list and full gallery below:

frame WI.DE. Grey gloss/matte
headset Cane Creek 40
fork OPEN U-Turn 
stem  Easton EA70, 70mm (S), 80mm (M), 90mm (L), 100mm (XL)
handlebar Easton EC70SL Carbon, 40cm (S), 42cm (M), 44cm (L & XL)
bartape Fizik Tempo Microtex black
seatpost Easton EC70 Carbon, 27.2 x 350
saddle Fizik Antares R7
brakes SRAM Force AXS, Rotors 160mm front & rear
shifters SRAM Force AXS 
crank  SRAM Force AXS Carbon, 170mm (S), 172.5mm (M), 175mm (L & XL)
BB SRAM DUB BB386
chainrings SRAM 40T
rear der. SRAM Eagle XX1 AXS
cassette SRAM CS-1275, 10-50T
chain SRAM Eagle
wheel DTSWISS GR-1600 Spline, 27.5"
tire Schwalbe Rock Razor, 27.5x2.35"
weight 8.9kg (size L)
price US$5900 (excl sales tax), €5900 (incl VAT)
to order local OPEN retailer or OPEN online store
   
 
 

 

Comments & Questions

OPEN
Hi ,building up a 1 plus , fox step cast 32 , 100mm 44 , 1x12 xtr , ?1 , running a continue gear cable , and wondering why u didn’t send a headtube guide , that would allow for that , plus looks like the bend at the chainstay and pt where cable leaves bb cable guide is going to rub on the inside of chain stay , could this cause problems long term , another reason I ran full length cable house , plus easier cable replace less contamination ?2 , clearance on chain stay to crankarm and rearstay , about 3mm each , is that an issue ?
Post #1 of 42. Posted by Gary Lunsky on 04-Oct-2019 13:19:48 GMT in reply to blog [0<--19783]
OPEN
If you want to run a full cable, all you need to do is drill out the headtube cable stop. The bend at the chain stay is no problem with the cable, because you can simply use the cable liner that ships with the frame. Minimum clearances are 2mm for the chainrings and 5mm for the crank at the pedal eye. If it is less, than it is probably not a real Boost crank.
Post #3 of 42. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 05-Oct-2019 04:01:52 GMT in reply to post #1 [19783<--19786]
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What’s your recommendation for an OPEN UP build? I know it’s hard but give it a try.
Post #2 of 42. Posted by Dennis on 04-Oct-2019 18:54:08 GMT in reply to blog [0<--19784]
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As a first step, check out the build recommendations here: https://opencyc...ries. And of course you can also put the above build on it if you want the most capable setup, just with smaller tires and maybe a smaller range cassette for the reasons I mention above.
Post #4 of 42. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 05-Oct-2019 04:05:17 GMT in reply to post #2 [19784<--19788]
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Okay thanks. I’ve decided on SRAM Red etap AXS, 46/33 and keeping it in the family with ZIPP 303 NSW wheelset,
ZIPP cockpit (bar, stem, seat post). Tires Gravel King SK 38. Undecided on saddle and pedals. Lizard Skins tape. May do a second wheelset with a 28-30 tire. Hopefully have it complete before the snow flies.
Post #5 of 42. Posted by Dennis on 05-Oct-2019 15:22:15 GMT in reply to post #4 [19788<--19790]
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I'm going the same way with the UPPER. Going with Enve Post, bars, bar tape, stem, and G23 wheels. WTB 40mm Byways. Prologo DIMENSION NDR CPC with Nack rails. Lastly, Xpedo M-FORCE 8 Ti pedals
Post #9 of 42. Posted by Steve on 06-Oct-2019 21:53:07 GMT in reply to post #5 [19790<--19798]
OPEN
How's the fender set for the wi.de coming? I haven't seen much update on it, and it's getting closer to the PNW rainy season!
Post #6 of 42. Posted by Eric on 05-Oct-2019 18:54:48 GMT in reply to blog [0<--19792]
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If we're not writing on it, it's because we're working on it! Some complications as always to make it exactly as we want, but it's coming.
Post #8 of 42. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 06-Oct-2019 05:54:17 GMT in reply to post #6 [19792<--19795]
OPEN
Any plans to make the UP compatible?
Post #20 of 42. Posted by JC on 10-Oct-2019 17:32:02 GMT in reply to post #8 [19795<--19812]
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No. The UP's fork will be compatible, but there's no clearance on the UP to add the fender.
Post #21 of 42. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 10-Oct-2019 18:56:33 GMT in reply to post #20 [19812<--19813]
OPEN
Hello. Love your bikes. Very well thought out. I have built an Open Upper and just bought another frame when you announced the WIDE frame.
Is there anyway I can do a swap. My open UPPER frame is still wrapped in styrofoam.
Cheers,
Post #7 of 42. Posted by Sean Ahmadi on 05-Oct-2019 20:35:44 GMT in reply to blog [0<--19793]
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Hi Sean, can you send me a mail (contact on the left) with you address and where you bought the frame. I will see what I can do for you.
Post #10 of 42. Posted by Andy Kessler on 07-Oct-2019 02:51:44 GMT in reply to blog [0<--19799]
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Hi. Would the 650B 2.35 Rock Razors fit an UPPER? Generally run 700c G-One Allround 38mm but struggling in the damp conditions. My commute is 4 mile x-country and 4 on tarmac (some gravel sections). No grip on the Allrounds now it's wet and muddy; the X-One Allrounds I've bought are getting ripped to shreds on the damp gravel part of the ride (the carcass is 127tpi) and I've been covered in Stans too many times now! Tried 650B Rocket Rons but very twitchy on the road/tarmac - the bike is too fast! Any thoughts?
Post #11 of 42. Posted by Andrew on 07-Oct-2019 12:04:15 GMT in reply to blog [0<--19801]
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No, the UP/UPPER fit up to 27.5x2.1" tires (depending on their true size of course), so you could look at something like a 2.0" WTB Ranger or a 2.1" Schwalbe Thunder Burt.
Post #14 of 42. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 07-Oct-2019 15:15:21 GMT in reply to post #11 [19801<--19804]
OPEN
Wow this is an awesome build. Curious could one reasonably do 2x duty as a CX bike (with correct wheel / tire obviously)?
Post #12 of 42. Posted by Neil Ashton on 07-Oct-2019 13:28:36 GMT in reply to blog [0<--19802]
OPEN
Definitely, plenty people use the UP for Cross and using the WIDE is really no different (it's just newer so there hasn't been a cross season since it came out yet). That would mean a second wheel set obviously, but the nice thing is that you could run that second set with a much smaller range cassette (for example a Rotor 11-39. And if you then use an 11-50 on the 650b set, you could switch back and forth without even changing the chain length.
Post #13 of 42. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 07-Oct-2019 15:11:52 GMT in reply to post #12 [19802<--19803]
OPEN
Or maybe you guys would consider a GRX version? Much as really love this build I am loath to go down "incompatibility road" again. Everything else I have is 11spd (except an S2 from the Vroomen- White era that is permanently stuck in 10spd.) and my primary road bike is 11spd disc ....... so it would be nice to be able to swap wheels which obviously 12spd negates. Yes I could build up a Wi.De or UP frameset but always at a higher cost than bike manufacturers get for groupsets.
Post #15 of 42. Posted by Neil Ashton on 07-Oct-2019 21:19:46 GMT in reply to post #13 [19803<--19805]
OPEN
Well, 11-sp and 12-sp wheels are compatible. Of course the cassettes are not, but as long as you have the 11-sp and 12-sp cassettes starting with the same smallest cog (10T or 11T), you would need the same cassette body - xD(r) respectively standard - and just have to swap cassettes.
Post #16 of 42. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 08-Oct-2019 05:03:17 GMT in reply to post #15 [19805<--19806]
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BTW, this idea that bike companies get the parts so much cheaper is no longer true, especially not for Shimano. Not sure if you have seen last month's Bike Of The Month with GRX Di2, but a store can put that together for $5200: https://opencyc...art-4
Post #17 of 42. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 08-Oct-2019 05:06:58 GMT in reply to post #15 [19805<--19807]
OPEN
So I literally saw that Orange GRX build right after prior reply. May go that way as swapping wheels w/o changes to cassettes (or different hub bodies) would be simpler.
Post #18 of 42. Posted by Neil Ashton on 08-Oct-2019 11:04:37 GMT in reply to post #17 [19807<--19809]
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Have you tried an Eagle AXS mech with the Rotor 11-39? This is my preferred range but I can’t get any info from anyone that it works.
Post #19 of 42. Posted by Guy on 08-Oct-2019 15:48:03 GMT in reply to post #13 [19803<--19810]
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Hi. Good point. Just about to configure my new up with my LBS - preferably based on SRAM AXS. Would love to see any option with wider cassette range, than 10-33 for the 46/33 crank.

Cheers from Munich
Post #22 of 42. Posted by Rafael on 11-Oct-2019 11:23:40 GMT in reply to post #19 [19810<--19814]
OPEN
Hi guys, nice bike in this setup but why do you choose this handlebar when there is the option of a gravel specific easton handelbar in the same price range (Easton EC70 AX Carbon) which in my oppinion fits better for a gravel bike monster like this bike is already. Is it poosible to get the complete bike with this handlebar?
Post #23 of 42. Posted by Jens on 14-Oct-2019 05:30:28 GMT in reply to blog [0<--19816]
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Two reasons:
1) Because we like a more traditional road bar (especially Andy). Yes it's a monster bike but we still want to go fast.
2) Because we don't like that gravel bar. The flare is awkward, and puts the hoods at the same angle as the flare, so now when you ride on the hoods, instead of having your hands on the ergonomic flat top surface of the hoods, you are resting on the edge of that surface, so a very small edge and high pressure. Not comfortable.

Of course it is always possible to get the bar exchanged if you really want that.
Post #24 of 42. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 14-Oct-2019 05:34:17 GMT in reply to post #23 [19816<--19817]
OPEN
Which size for 179cm ?
Thx a lot
Post #25 of 42. Posted by Tony Farris on 19-Oct-2019 06:10:54 GMT in reply to blog [0<--19823]
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M or L, both possible. Best to contact the Backyard bike shop in Zurich to try out, if they don't have a certain size they can get it quickly from us.
Post #29 of 42. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 21-Oct-2019 05:14:07 GMT in reply to post #25 [19823<--19828]
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Simply great!
Two reasons I am hasitating:
I do already have two CX/Gravel-Bikes and some others … ok, not really a reason …
I decided not to buy anymore a bike I`ve never been able to try before …
Difficult to do so, not only with OPEN, I know ….

Should I stay or should I go ....
Post #26 of 42. Posted by Jog on 20-Oct-2019 15:16:22 GMT in reply to blog [0<--19825]
OPEN
... hesitating...
Post #27 of 42. Posted by Jog on 20-Oct-2019 18:05:01 GMT in reply to post #26 [19825<--19826]
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Point 1 is a perfect reason not to buy. For point 2, you can always come visit us in Basel if you cannot find a bike to test ride nearby.
Post #28 of 42. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 21-Oct-2019 04:46:19 GMT in reply to post #27 [19826<--19827]
OPEN
Thanks Gerard, that might be an option... I `m living in Hamburg, but from time to time visiting Freiburg...
How ever:
I ´m 170 high, „Schrittlänge“ 79.
S or M ?
Thanks!!!
Post #32 of 42. Posted by Jürgen on 27-Oct-2019 07:54:52 GMT in reply to post #28 [19827<--19831]
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M
Post #33 of 42. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 27-Oct-2019 07:57:59 GMT in reply to post #32 [19831<--19832]
OPEN
Ok, thx Gerard.
What whould be wrong about the S, which is recommended up to 171 cm ... isn`t it?
Just to be 100% shure... in case I` will not be able to visit OPEN in Basel.
Just a bit irritating that a bike may fit that fits also to those with 180 cm...
And once more thanks for your fast responses!
Jog
Post #34 of 42. Posted by Jog on 01-Nov-2019 18:25:34 GMT in reply to post #33 [19832<--19837]
OPEN
Hi Jog, not sure why that is irritating. I go not only by your height but also your inseam. But of course, the best fit is a full fit and test ride.
Post #35 of 42. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 04-Nov-2019 03:57:45 GMT in reply to post #34 [19837<--19839]
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Thx Gerard. It`s just that bike geometry in general is somewhat irritating for me.
Mainly the "Reach" vs. "Toptube length"-issue combined with some opinions "so called" specialists are having is something that's highly confusing (again: at least for me... I'm not ingenieur ;-)
Anyway, Thank for your advices.
Just have to decide now between the complete bike offer right from your online store or visiting Andreas and Dan in Hannover ...
(... or visiting OPEN in Basel in some months, but I fear I don't want to wait that long ...)
Best Regards, Jog
Post #36 of 42. Posted by Juergen Gehr on 04-Nov-2019 04:39:28 GMT in reply to post #35 [19839<--19840]
OPEN
Ingo + Dan ... not Andreas ...
Post #37 of 42. Posted by Jog on 04-Nov-2019 04:43:59 GMT in reply to post #36 [19840<--19841]
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Hi Juergen, the best advice I could give is to just completely ignore toptube length. I'd like to not even list it on our website, but then we'd get too many complaints from "experts". Anyway, the one reason why the S could be better would be if you had a very aggressive position. But the question then is of course if you will maintain such a position on gravel. As I said, can't beat a real fit, or if you have a current road bike you really like the fit of, just send me the details using the contact form on the left.

Bu the way, you can also get the complete bike through Ingo & Dan, they can order it for you after you have confirmed the Medium (or Small) is the best for you.
Post #38 of 42. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 04-Nov-2019 08:46:51 GMT in reply to post #36 [19840<--19842]
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Bike arrived yesterday.
10 km-test ride.
Very good! Enjoyed!
Will post more after having had more time to make more experiences!
Post #40 of 42. Posted by Jog on 19-Nov-2019 10:29:02 GMT in reply to post #38 [19842<--19845]
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I am most interested in the WI DE with your complete build set up. Could you please advise if I can also run a set of 700c wheels with a road/ light gravel oriented cassette (say 11x 39?) that would be just a wheel swap without having to change any other components or make adjustments? A wheelset buildup recommendation would be great IE cassette, tire and size, wheels rotors etc. Many thanks.
Post #30 of 42. Posted by Tim Furiate on 24-Oct-2019 15:30:02 GMT in reply to blog [0<--19829]
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Yes you can, the 11-39 ROTOR cassette is ideal for such a setup. And of course you keep rotors the same at 160mm. No parts changes needed (assuming you buy a second pair of rotors so you don’t have to swap those between the wheels).

One thing to make it easier would be to change the gravel wheelset to 11-50, then you have the same starting cog and thus the chain length is perfect all the time. It also works with the 10-50 cassette, but if you start with that and find you don’t need that much range, switching to 11-50 (SRAM) or 11-46 (ROTOR) would be a great idea.

For the road/gravel tires, you can go two general directions. (1) A bigger road tire (like a 35mm Pirelli Cinturato tubeless), where the tread is focussed on road but the volume makes it capable offroad, or (2) something like a Schwalbe G-One Allround in 35mm or 38mm with micro-knobs, so more focussed on the light gravel but still fast on pavement.
Post #31 of 42. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 25-Oct-2019 03:10:37 GMT in reply to post #30 [19829<--19830]
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Hi there, I'm currently on the search for a gravel bike and the WI.DE grey BOTM is almost exactly what I'm after (well, orange would be perfect... best colour ever!) One question regarding the wheelset. Is it in any way possible to order the complete builds with a 700c wheelset instead of 650b? Cheers from Zürich!
Post #39 of 42. Posted by Conor Robinson on 14-Nov-2019 12:38:53 GMT in reply to blog [0<--19843]
OPEN
Hi Conor, sorry for the delay, something went wrong here. Anyway, we can make that happen for you.
Post #42 of 42. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 25-Nov-2019 11:56:06 GMT in reply to post #39 [19843<--19856]
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Hi, this weekend I had my first 50 km Ride with the WI.DE. Great bike! I expected something different compared to my Gravel/CX-bikes. And I got something different! Great bike, great fun! It´s not that I don`t like my other bikes anymore. But different bike, different Fun!
The WI.DE is almost a new category ...

Ok, what I have to get used to: The SRAM Eagle AXS is a damn diva....
Post #41 of 42. Posted by Jog on 25-Nov-2019 11:22:37 GMT in reply to blog [0<--19855]
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