Keywords: 650+,700c,gravel bike,gravel ride,limited edition open

BOTM: OPENxENVE WIDE - PART 1

Andy Kessler - 20-Jan-2021
Ok, I recommend you not to read this blog until the end... you will waste too much precious time. Just look at the pictures first and then make a quick decision and click here if you have no good OPEN dealer near you. If you know a good OPEN dealer near you contact them now...

I hate to repeat myself, but after the experience we had with our Pistachio Limited Edition I know already, this one will be gone in a minute also (Hey, you are still reading don't tell me I did not tell you...)

Here is a small teaser gallery. On February 4 we officially launch this edition together with ENVE as they have something nice and special to show also... You gonna see more pics and videos then...

Couple of quick points:

This limited edition comes with the brand new ENVE adventure fork (and no, for regular production we stick to our U-Turn fork).

We ship end of January.

Retail of the frameset is 3400 EUR/US$/CHF.

If you miss this one (and if you are still reading that will be the case....) then we should get pretty good supply of our standard colors grey, orange and turquoise by the end of this month. We also have pretty good stock of our complete WIDE's and kits late January/early February... But with the current high demand situation also that could change any day.

You can always contact me I still might find a dealer that was quick (not all OPEN dealers will be quick...)

And here and update:  this has sold out by now....

 

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Comments & Questions

OPEN
Which size do I use with my 180 cm
Post #1 of 70. Posted by Berend (B.J) Veneklaas on 20-Jan-2021 10:11:20 GMT in reply to blog [0<--22854]
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OPEN
Most likely the Large
Post #2 of 70. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 20-Jan-2021 10:18:15 GMT in reply to post #1 [22854<--22855]
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OPEN
Hi, I'm also 179/180 cm tall and went to a bike fitting beforehand: the recommendation here was a bike in M with a 110 mm stem. And I am also very satisfied with it. Sascha
Post #17 of 70. Posted by Sascha on 20-Jan-2021 18:13:48 GMT in reply to post #2 [22855<--22870]
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OPEN
I am 180cm and my size large Open UP fits me perfectly.
Post #7 of 70. Posted by Toge on 20-Jan-2021 10:21:56 GMT in reply to post #1 [22854<--22860]
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OPEN
Ditto. I am 180cm in height and quite happy with the fit of my size Large Open UP.
Post #13 of 70. Posted by Kent on 20-Jan-2021 11:54:10 GMT in reply to post #7 [22860<--22866]
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Thanks Toge and Kent, managed to secure a Large (many thanks to those involved) looking forward to the build process- and to what happens on 4th Feb...
Post #52 of 70. Posted by Ross on 25-Jan-2021 14:45:36 GMT in reply to post #13 [22866<--22906]
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Oh you JERKS, now you’ve gone and made me regret buying my pistachio wide :p

I was wondering if this fork would work, as the cage mounts would be really nice. Maybe someday l’ll get one and have it painted to match the pistachio.
Post #3 of 70. Posted by Andrew on 20-Jan-2021 10:21:23 GMT in reply to blog [0<--22856]
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Oh you JERKS, now you’ve gone and made me regret buying my pistachio wide :p

I was wondering if this fork would work, as the cage mounts would be really nice. Maybe someday l’ll get one and have it painted to match the pistachio.
Post #4 of 70. Posted by Andrew on 20-Jan-2021 10:21:26 GMT in reply to blog [0<--22857]
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Hi Andrew, I love my Pistachio and originally I thought I need to build up one of those ENVE's but then I decided to stay with the Pistachio... And yes that ENVE fork woks well on the WIDE
Post #29 of 70. Posted by Andy Kessler on 21-Jan-2021 03:56:13 GMT in reply to post #4 [22857<--22882]
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OPEN
Would the Enve adventure fork well (with same handling) on an Upper size small? Thanks.
Post #41 of 70. Posted by Andrew on 21-Jan-2021 15:45:12 GMT in reply to post #29 [22882<--22894]
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OPEN
This is beautiful
Post #5 of 70. Posted by David Cathcart on 20-Jan-2021 10:21:40 GMT in reply to blog [0<--22858]
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OPEN
2021 we will see a full suspension OPEN?
Post #6 of 70. Posted by Pablo on 20-Jan-2021 10:21:47 GMT in reply to blog [0<--22859]
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OPEN
Dear Pablo, no unfortunately this will no happen.
Post #28 of 70. Posted by Andy Kessler on 21-Jan-2021 03:54:57 GMT in reply to post #6 [22859<--22881]
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OPEN
Is ut possible to command this frame in complet bike ?
Post #8 of 70. Posted by David on 20-Jan-2021 10:29:01 GMT in reply to blog [0<--22861]
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Hi David, unfortunately not. But I guess you are based in France if so then you can contact our French agent Mohawks.
Post #27 of 70. Posted by Andy Kessler on 21-Jan-2021 03:54:27 GMT in reply to post #8 [22861<--22880]
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OPEN
W O W ! ! ! This would be perfect as wall art!
Post #9 of 70. Posted by Andrew on 20-Jan-2021 10:31:55 GMT in reply to blog [0<--22862]
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OPEN
At 179cm, I’m ready to ordre, but I had thought I would be a Medium. Comments below make me wonder if I need a large. Is there a sizing chart or advice available as all bike shops are closed here?
Ross
Post #10 of 70. Posted by Ross on 20-Jan-2021 10:38:19 GMT in reply to blog [0<--22863]
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OPEN
Hi, I'm also 179/180 cm tall and went to a bike fitting beforehand: the recommendation here was a bike in M with a 110 mm stem. And I am also very satisfied with it.
Post #16 of 70. Posted by Sascha on 20-Jan-2021 18:12:00 GMT in reply to post #10 [22863<--22869]
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Hi Ross. if you have a current road bike where you feel comfortable then send me a mail and I will get an answer for you
Post #30 of 70. Posted by Andy Kessler on 21-Jan-2021 03:57:33 GMT in reply to post #10 [22863<--22883]
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OPEN
Got great support from Peter in Tech Support, thank-you and the others who replied.
Post #35 of 70. Posted by Ross on 21-Jan-2021 05:19:49 GMT in reply to post #30 [22883<--22888]
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OPEN
Hi there!

On Monday I ordered one Monday, but they told me the complete OPEN WIDE only serves in one color. Grey
Today, for a little moment, I got excited thinking I could get it in another color... Illusions xD
Why can't we buy your marvelous machine complete in other colors?

Thanks a lot
Post #11 of 70. Posted by Darío on 20-Jan-2021 11:01:45 GMT in reply to blog [0<--22864]
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Hi Dario, we would love to but unfortunately supply chain is a real issue in the bike biz. Some suppliers have up to 15 months lead time right now...
Post #31 of 70. Posted by Andy Kessler on 21-Jan-2021 03:58:42 GMT in reply to post #11 [22864<--22884]
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OPEN
This would look awesome next to my Orange OPEN WIDE. N+1
Post #12 of 70. Posted by Matt Allsop on 20-Jan-2021 11:32:48 GMT in reply to blog [0<--22865]
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OPEN
Omg , went to website and sold out already. Only just received the email ??
Post #14 of 70. Posted by Craig on 20-Jan-2021 14:37:52 GMT in reply to blog [0<--22867]
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OPEN
Hi Craig, our Aussi agent should get some. Send me a mail and I forward it to him
Post #26 of 70. Posted by Andy Kessler on 21-Jan-2021 03:53:31 GMT in reply to post #14 [22867<--22879]
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OPEN
I put in a request to get one at my local retailer this morning on your website. It’s says the transaction went through. Does this mean I am getting one for sure?
Post #15 of 70. Posted by Matt wyatt on 20-Jan-2021 14:47:14 GMT in reply to blog [0<--22868]
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Dear Matt, we will look at that and find a solution for you..We check with Elon
Post #32 of 70. Posted by Andy Kessler on 21-Jan-2021 04:00:19 GMT in reply to post #15 [22868<--22885]
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OPEN
I was able to confirm that I got one. Thank you!
Post #40 of 70. Posted by Matt wyatt on 21-Jan-2021 09:43:10 GMT in reply to post #32 [22885<--22893]
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OPEN
I would be interested in the adventure fork only if the rear triangle of the Wi.De was extended. This would give more stability, without sacrificing too much of that precious handling, plus it would open up room for 50mm tires in 700c which would pair very well with the adventure fork's clearances.
Post #18 of 70. Posted by Samurai on 20-Jan-2021 18:25:52 GMT in reply to blog [0<--22871]
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As evidence I submit this. Mind you I don't think the extended reach is necessary.
https://www.gra...-enve
Post #24 of 70. Posted by Samurai on 20-Jan-2021 18:43:46 GMT in reply to post #18 [22871<--22877]
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OPEN
Hi gearld is there any size large available in new wide frameset colour
Post #19 of 70. Posted by Padraig Brandon on 20-Jan-2021 18:39:25 GMT in reply to blog [0<--22872]
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OPEN
Hi gearld is there any size large available in new wide frameset colour
Post #20 of 70. Posted by Padraig Brandon on 20-Jan-2021 18:39:25 GMT in reply to blog [0<--22873]
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OPEN
Hi gearld is there any size large available in new wide frameset colour
Post #21 of 70. Posted by Padraig Brandon on 20-Jan-2021 18:39:25 GMT in reply to blog [0<--22874]
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OPEN
Hi gearld is there any size large available in new wide frameset colour
Post #22 of 70. Posted by Padraig Brandon on 20-Jan-2021 18:39:25 GMT in reply to blog [0<--22875]
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OPEN
Hi Brandon, unfortunately we are sold out very sorry. Send me a mail I might find a dealer that has one
Post #33 of 70. Posted by Andy Kessler on 21-Jan-2021 04:02:09 GMT in reply to post #22 [22875<--22886]
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OPEN
Hi gearld is there any size large available in new wide frameset colour
Post #23 of 70. Posted by Padraig Brandon on 20-Jan-2021 18:39:25 GMT in reply to blog [0<--22876]
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OPEN
Hi Andrew, sorry fo that but actually I actually thought also to build me up that ENVE but I decided to stay with the Pistachio... I really really like the Pistachio... And yes this fork is matching perfectly
Post #25 of 70. Posted by Andy Kessler on 21-Jan-2021 03:50:58 GMT in reply to blog [0<--22878]
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Hi Andy I would be grateful if you could check other dealers if there is a size large in the wide new frameset regards padraig brandon
Post #34 of 70. Posted by PadrIg brandon Brandon on 21-Jan-2021 04:54:58 GMT in reply to blog [0<--22887]
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OPEN
Hi Brandon, did send you a mail
Post #37 of 70. Posted by Andy Kessler on 21-Jan-2021 07:29:24 GMT in reply to post #34 [22887<--22890]
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OPEN
I can not wait to put my hands on this one! I would have kept this beauty for myself if it was a size L but I only could get a size M. There will be a happy customer at the shop!
Post #36 of 70. Posted by Phil on 21-Jan-2021 05:45:50 GMT in reply to blog [0<--22889]
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OPEN
Can you recommend a 1x power meter that will fit my Open Wide.
Currently running Shimano grx, I tried an Stages crank arm, Ultegra mode and have clearance problems.
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Post #38 of 70. Posted by Cyril Keane on 21-Jan-2021 09:18:33 GMT in reply to blog [0<--22891]
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OPEN
Can you recommend a 1x power meter that will fit my Open Wide.
Currently running Shimano grx, I tried an Stages crank arm, Ultegra mode and have clearance problems.
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Post #39 of 70. Posted by Cyril Keane on 21-Jan-2021 09:18:33 GMT in reply to blog [0<--22892]
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OPEN
Yes no problem at all that will fit perfectly on all sizes
Post #42 of 70. Posted by Andy Kessler on 22-Jan-2021 07:41:26 GMT in reply to blog [0<--22896]
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Hi Cyril. We had good experience with Rotor or Easton
Post #43 of 70. Posted by Andy Kessler on 22-Jan-2021 07:42:31 GMT in reply to blog [0<--22897]
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OPEN
Quick question - what are the relative pros and cons of the Open U-Turn fork vs the Enve fork. Are there any major differences in handling or clearance? Or are they essentially the same thing?
Post #44 of 70. Posted by Matt on 22-Jan-2021 15:51:46 GMT in reply to blog [0<--22898]
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Hi Matt, clearance wise they are pretty much the same. Handling wise I could not tell you the difference as I have not ridden the ENVE in the field/or we tested it.
Post #47 of 70. Posted by Andy Kessler on 25-Jan-2021 05:38:41 GMT in reply to post #44 [22898<--22901]
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Hi Andy, Gerard,
I am 175 Cm, inseam of 86 Cm, arm span of 185 Cm. Do you recommend a Medium or Large for the UPPER? Thanks for your advice and guidance.
Post #45 of 70. Posted by Dhaval on 23-Jan-2021 16:55:54 GMT in reply to blog [0<--22899]
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Hi Dhaval, I would say a Medium for sure. Take care
Post #46 of 70. Posted by Andy Kessler on 25-Jan-2021 05:36:51 GMT in reply to post #45 [22899<--22900]
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Thank you for your prompt reply Andy. I currently ride a Specialized Allez (56cm) that has a stack of 575 mm and a reach of 392 mm and given my wingspan of 185 Cm I thought I would be a large frame on the UPPER. But given my height and inseam it looks like a medium UPPER as you suggested. Would you still say so? Looking forward to your response and eventually getting my UPPER ready for the spring! Cheers.
Post #49 of 70. Posted by Dhaval on 25-Jan-2021 07:38:47 GMT in reply to post #46 [22900<--22903]
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OPEN
Schöne Bikes, wäre interessiert. Kann leider zuwenig Englisch. Eine Seite in deutscher Sprache wäre für eine Basler Firma angemessen.
Post #48 of 70. Posted by Franz on 25-Jan-2021 07:08:09 GMT in reply to blog [0<--22902]
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Hallo Franz, ich kann Dich gerne kontaktieren und wir können in Deutsch kommunizieren. Lieber Gruss Andy
Post #50 of 70. Posted by Andy Kessler on 25-Jan-2021 08:20:15 GMT in reply to post #48 [22902<--22904]
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OPEN
Its is indeed very nice, but a pale coulor next to drive train and disc brakes are to be avoided at all cost. Please reverse them, and you will that way achieve à next level of detail(s)

;) Cheers from the great white North

G.
Post #51 of 70. Posted by Germain Bélanger on 25-Jan-2021 09:04:32 GMT in reply to blog [0<--22905]
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OPEN
Would like to buy a U.P. in size large but am concerned about short (150mm) head tube. Is that dimension in your geometry chart correct? The same dimension on the Min.D. Is 184mm.
Post #53 of 70. Posted by John Fitzgerald on 28-Jan-2021 20:32:11 GMT in reply to blog [0<--22910]
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Hi John. The reason why the head tube is shorter compared to the MIN.D. is because of the longer axle-crown length of the UP fork.
Post #54 of 70. Posted by Andy Kessler on 29-Jan-2021 09:27:04 GMT in reply to post #53 [22910<--22911]
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OPEN
Hi, for gravel frame what size?
Am 183cm, inseam 86cm and ride a saddle height on road of 76,5cm
What size in your frame should be correct ?
Thank you
Post #55 of 70. Posted by Timothy Gurney on 29-Jan-2021 11:19:34 GMT in reply to blog [0<--22915]
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Hi Timothy, that would be a size Large for sure.
Post #56 of 70. Posted by Andy Kessler on 29-Jan-2021 11:21:10 GMT in reply to post #55 [22915<--22916]
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Hi,
I am 190 cm, inseam of 94 cm, arm span of 187 cm. Do you recommend a Large or XLarge for the NEW UP? Thanks for your advice and guidance. Jiri
Post #57 of 70. Posted by Jiri Petrzelka on 30-Jan-2021 12:55:12 GMT in reply to blog [0<--22918]
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Hi Jiri, that would be size Xl. Have a good week
Post #59 of 70. Posted by Andy Kessler on 01-Feb-2021 08:38:39 GMT in reply to post #57 [22918<--22923]
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Hi,
All the beautiful WI.DE frames sets (Pistachio & Enve) were sold in a split second.....
So my idea was to buy an unpainted WI.DE frame.

Do you have any recommendations on frame painters? At the end of the day I could paint my own limited edition!
Or are there more special editions WI.DE in the pipeline for 2021?

Thanks
Manuel
Post #58 of 70. Posted by Manuel Gallardo on 31-Jan-2021 13:32:30 GMT in reply to blog [0<--22919]
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Hi Manuel, Right now we have no limited editions coming on the WI.DE. if you send Andy a message with the contact form on the left, he can give you some painter options in Europe and in special in The Netherlands
Post #66 of 70. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 08-Feb-2021 09:15:58 GMT in reply to post #58 [22919<--22937]
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OPEN
Hello! Any update on the shipping timeframe for the Enve edition framesets ordered from the online store? (I'm in the US.) Thanks!
Post #60 of 70. Posted by Andrew on 02-Feb-2021 12:07:23 GMT in reply to blog [0<--22928]
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Hi Andrew, they should ship this week and you should get Fedex tracking for that as soon as they leave. Congratulation on this frame.. I had one reserved for myself but then gave it to a OPEN dealer as demand was so high...a bit jealous..
Post #61 of 70. Posted by Andy Kessler on 03-Feb-2021 02:23:51 GMT in reply to post #60 [22928<--22929]
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I have recently purchased a Pistachio Wide in XL. I am looking to install a Garbaruk chainring (similar to Woolf tooth, but prettier) do you have an experience or feedback on this chainring? I am thinking a 42T, which I understand will fit okay?
Post #62 of 70. Posted by Ben on 03-Feb-2021 05:09:20 GMT in reply to blog [0<--22932]
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Dear Ben, I think 42 should fit, but honestly I have never installed myself... I wanted to try out their RD hack also but was hard to get parts for that...
Post #65 of 70. Posted by Andy Kessler on 05-Feb-2021 01:38:01 GMT in reply to post #62 [22932<--22935]
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4th February came and went. I guess the announcement with Enve got pushed out?
Post #63 of 70. Posted by Matt Piercy on 04-Feb-2021 13:50:58 GMT in reply to blog [0<--22933]
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Hi Matt, they have released their new foundation gravel wheel
Post #64 of 70. Posted by Andy Kessler on 05-Feb-2021 01:37:02 GMT in reply to post #63 [22933<--22934]
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Do you have a recommendation for battery placement if I'm building this bike up DI2 and running a Pro dropper seatpost? Normally I'd put the battery in the post, but obviously need to come up with an alternate solution. Thanks!
Post #67 of 70. Posted by Michael on 08-Feb-2021 19:07:37 GMT in reply to post #64 [22934<--22938]
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If you still can find a dealer that has the OPEN x ENVE in Medium, I'd like to talk to them!
Post #68 of 70. Posted by Joel Hinkhouse on 09-Feb-2021 10:27:53 GMT in reply to blog [0<--22940]
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Hi Michael. thats a difficult one. It depends a bit on your frame size also. An option is to fix it in the headtube also there is fro an example one fixation from PRO
Post #69 of 70. Posted by Andy Kessler on 10-Feb-2021 01:32:46 GMT in reply to blog [0<--22945]
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Hi Joel, I would suggest to you to contact Contender in Salt Lake City. He might still have one
Post #70 of 70. Posted by Andy Kessler on 10-Feb-2021 01:46:39 GMT in reply to blog [0<--22946]
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